[U/C] 104-106 Currie Street | 117m | 33lvl | Sofitel Hotel

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#811 Post by floplo » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:14 pm

Algernon wrote:Wasting 3 frontages of an island site on car park is pretty disappointing
The car park starts on level 3, so the wastage is mostly just the direct garage access. Front third is pretty much hotel, middle third is parking garage, hotel drop-off and apartment entry, and the north third are for retail/hospitality.
So do you mean 'wasting' floors 3 to 8?

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#812 Post by Algernon » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:01 am

floplo wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:14 pm
Algernon wrote:Wasting 3 frontages of an island site on car park is pretty disappointing
The car park starts on level 3, so the wastage is mostly just the direct garage access. Front third is pretty much hotel, middle third is parking garage, hotel drop-off and apartment entry, and the north third are for retail/hospitality.
So do you mean 'wasting' floors 3 to 8?

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Tomato-tomato really, the wastage is that 3/4 sides of the building have 0 street activation.

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#813 Post by floplo » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:33 am

Algernon wrote:
floplo wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:14 pm
Algernon wrote:Wasting 3 frontages of an island site on car park is pretty disappointing
The car park starts on level 3, so the wastage is mostly just the direct garage access. Front third is pretty much hotel, middle third is parking garage, hotel drop-off and apartment entry, and the north third are for retail/hospitality.
So do you mean 'wasting' floors 3 to 8?

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Tomato-tomato really, the wastage is that 3/4 sides of the building have 0 street activation.
What do you actually mean with 'Street activation'?

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#814 Post by Ozbear73 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:36 pm

Being a small island site is precisely why it’s difficult for a 30+ level hotel/apartment building to have anything else at street level other than services for the building itself.
Additional retail/hospitality has to play second fiddle in this instance as everything mentioned above has to be accommodated for the building itself on a small footprint, and that’s not easy to do.
You can’t have your cake and eat it. The development would have to have abided by certain planning requirements and they must take precedence over any additional retail and hospitality wants.
It’s not a matter of tom-a-to tomaaaato…it’s simply a practical and logical outcome within the restraints of planning requirements of such a small footprint island site.

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#815 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:31 pm

Ozbear73 wrote:Being a small island site is precisely why it’s difficult for a 30+ level hotel/apartment building to have anything else at street level other than services for the building itself.
Additional retail/hospitality has to play second fiddle in this instance as everything mentioned above has to be accommodated for the building itself on a small footprint, and that’s not easy to do.
You can’t have your cake and eat it. The development would have to have abided by certain planning requirements and they must take precedence over any additional retail and hospitality wants.
It’s not a matter of tom-a-to tomaaaato…it’s simply a practical and logical outcome within the restraints of planning requirements of such a small footprint island site.
Planning regulations could help by eliminating parking minimums (which should be done across the board anyway).
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#816 Post by floplo » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:01 am

ChillyPhilly wrote:
Ozbear73 wrote:Being a small island site is precisely why it’s difficult for a 30+ level hotel/apartment building to have anything else at street level other than services for the building itself.
Additional retail/hospitality has to play second fiddle in this instance as everything mentioned above has to be accommodated for the building itself on a small footprint, and that’s not easy to do.
You can’t have your cake and eat it. The development would have to have abided by certain planning requirements and they must take precedence over any additional retail and hospitality wants.
It’s not a matter of tom-a-to tomaaaato…it’s simply a practical and logical outcome within the restraints of planning requirements of such a small footprint island site.
Planning regulations could help by eliminating parking minimums (which should be done across the board anyway).
In this case it would only make a small (or no) impact on street level frontage. Apartment parking has an entrance ramp, but to avoid that they would have to drop parking completely from the building (and it would only gain you barely a few meters of street front anyway)

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#817 Post by Patrick_27 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:06 am

I wouldn't be too concerned by the lack of street activation this build provides, look around... There is plenty of neighbouring street activation in evening hang outs like Cry Baby bar and Sunny's Pizza bar; I would think the more important argument to have is ensuring that this build doesn't limit their ability to trade (due to noise) or that further development doesn't scare these establishments off.

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#818 Post by rev » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:23 am

Omg Street activation waah waah. Meanwhile most buildings look shit. So Adelaide.

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#819 Post by Nort » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:28 am

rev wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:23 am
Omg Street activation waah waah. Meanwhile most buildings look shit. So Adelaide.
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#820 Post by Norman » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:44 pm

I'd rather live in a city with ugly buildings and an active street life than a pretty city with noone around.

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#821 Post by Nort » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:17 pm

Norman wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:44 pm
I'd rather live in a city with ugly buildings and an active street life than a pretty city with noone around.
This.

Obviously we should be aiming for both, but the best way to get a city with beautiful iconic buildings from private developers is to have the city be a high value in demand location.

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#822 Post by AndyWelsh » Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:12 am


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#823 Post by rev » Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:51 pm

Norman wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:44 pm
I'd rather live in a city with ugly buildings and an active street life than a pretty city with noone around.
Well you're half way there..

You guys think that every building that goes up, that every street and laneway should have "active street life".
Where's the population to actually support all this "active street life" that you guys dream of?
So many establishments struggle as it is, and you lot think that adding more is going to work.

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#824 Post by Ben » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:03 pm

AndyWelsh wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:12 am
https://glamadelaide.com.au/first-look- ... -adelaide/


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Are they actually photos? They looks like the previously shown renders.

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#825 Post by EBG » Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:48 pm

They are NOT actual photos -the signage at the top is in the wrong place.

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